Poll - Does Scotland really want to go it alone?

[morag]

I see Labour and the Tories are forming a coalition in Edinburgh, I think, that should make them popular..did they not notice the lib-dem results?

[Richard]

Morag,
Have you seen this yet ?
And this is normally a "liberal leaning" rag.
Labour have now taken over the liberal motto; "power at any cost".
Once ALL the wheeling & dealing has been complete, It will be interesting to see who teams up with who ?
It also makes a mockery of the labour leaders recent claims, that the Scottish branch, makes It's own
decisions. Yes, and I'm the worlds richest man.
Labour jumping into bed with the Tories ?
I thought we had a mini earthquake in Scotland until I realised that It was several million of our ancestors,
turning in their graves. Interesting to see how this pans out for them ?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/s ... -1-2278855

UPDATE: I've just come across this after compiling the above post:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-2280245

[morag]

I couldn't believe it at first, thought someone was pulling my leg , checked the date, nope, not April 1st, then checked the Scotsman, as you say, usually in Labour's back pocket. Going to be VERY interesting. Vote Labour get Tory?

[John Donnelly]

We are the sellic; we hate the rangers. We are the rangers; we hate the sellic.
We are the labour; we hate the tories. We are the tories; we hate the labour.
Sing in usual knuckle-dragging tone and cadence.

Come on you guys. waken up. Why does everything ALWAYS have to be tribal; us-and-them.

Politics is the art of the possible. If they have a common aim, why on earth should Labour and Conservatives not unite against what they see as a common enemy; (even that reads like a preconceived judgement - read opposition).

This is what is wrong with politics today. It's all about preconceived, fixed points in the political firmament. Room for an open mind is nowhere in sight.

So there.

JD.

[morag]

It's more about no choice John. Used to be there was more than one party, now they are all crawling into bed with each other and it's all shades of grey - so to speak ...I've never voted party but rather person, but if I was in Scotland today
I'd be in no doubt…Evita or not!

[Richard]

JD,

Come on you guys. waken up. Why does everything ALWAYS have to be tribal; us-and-them.

Even though you live in Holland, you know the answer to that question as well as we, who live in Scotland, do.

Maybe I'm picking this up wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that it's O.K. to unite, regardless of your
beliefs, just as long as It's against the Scottish National Party and anyone who believes in Scottish Independence ?
You then go on to use the words, "common enemy".
Is that not, in itself, creating a "them-and-us" attitude ?

I tend to vote, like most people, for a party OR person who "sells" me a policy or set of policies I believe in.
A party OR person who stands for the same or similar beliefs as I do.
What I don't vote for, Is for that party OR person to go and jump into bed with someone who is totally against
the very foundations of everything I stand for OR who may have policies that I detest.

Notice how there is NEVER any talk of "alliances", pre election. I wonder why ?????

In an "Ideal world", there would be NO party politics.
But It's far from an Ideal world and party politics is what we have.
Party politics IS divisive, them-and-us, red or blue, FOR or AGAINST.
Take your pick.


When the "Scottish" branches of the Unionist parties decide to cut their apron strings from their
Westminster masters, and truly become Scottish political parties with Scotland's Interests first
and foremost, then and only then will we be able to truly open our minds and grow.
But then again, that is exactly why Scotland has seen a surge in support for Scottish Independence.
People are wakening up. The Unionist lies & dirty politics don't work anymore.
Whatever England votes, Scotland gets.

[morag]

I'd amend that to whatever a smallish area of England votes, the rest of the UK get.

[Richard]

After Scotland's recent local elections and the final result now known, all the 'wheeling & dealing is still
going on and the main talking points throughout the country being how treacherous the Labour party
are being.
This very same labour party have verbally crucified and left the lib dems without a name when the lib dems
went into an alliance with the tory party.
The SNP have increased their support throughout Scotland and that was FROM a position of power.
The SNP have come out of the local elections as THE most successful party but you would not have thought
it If you believed the deceitful, mainstream, labour supporting media in this country.
The people of Stirling, Aberdeen & East Dunbartonshire etc, who voted labour, have ALL just voted Tory.
If you voted Labour, then here is some points you may want to ponder at any future vote:

Consider how; Any vote for a Unionist party, will get you a Unionist party, but not necessarily the one that
you voted for: http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... y-alliance

See the dirty tricks that Labour will pull, just to get power, especially with the Referendum on it's way
and how low they will stoop just to hold on to a City seat that they have controlled since prehistoric
man roamed the earth: http: http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... der-pledge

Read this and see EXACTLY what the full extent of Labours plans for Scotland are: http://www.wishawpress.co.uk/wishaw-new ... -30926500/

[creamolafoam]

After Scotland's recent local elections and the final result now known, all the 'wheeling & dealing is still
going on and the main talking points throughout the country being how treacherous the Labour party
are being.
This very same labour party have verbally crucified and left the lib dems without a name when the lib dems
went into an alliance with the tory party.
The SNP have increased their support throughout Scotland and that was FROM a position of power.
The SNP have come out of the local elections as THE most successful party but you would not have thought
it If you believed the deceitful, mainstream, labour supporting media in this country.
The people of Stirling, Aberdeen & East Dunbartonshire etc, who voted labour, have ALL just voted Tory.
If you voted Labour, then here is some points you may want to ponder at any future vote:

Consider how; Any vote for a Unionist party, will get you a Unionist party, but not necessarily the one that
you voted for: http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... y-alliance

See the dirty tricks that Labour will pull, just to get power, especially with the Referendum on it's way
and how low they will stoop just to hold on to a City seat that they have controlled since prehistoric
man roamed the earth: http: http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... der-pledge

Read this and see EXACTLY what the full extent of Labours plans for Scotland are: http://www.wishawpress.co.uk/wishaw-new ... -30926500/

the only thing thats 'treacherous' sir, is that fat slug you voted for.open your eyes, before its to late.this guy is going to sell scotland down the river
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[Richard]

creamolafoam:
First of all, If you're going to quote someone then It is normal practise to do the quote and then add your
response AFTER the quote and not within it. That way, your words are not 'hidden'.
If the "fat slug", that you refer to, is Alex Salmond, then my only reply to that is...NO, never voted for him
in my life nor am I ever likely to, I don't live in his constituency.
It is you who needs to "open your eyes", for if you have read & followed this debate from the beginning then
you would be aware that I have stated clearly, 2 or 3 times, that I don't like wee Eck either but It's not one
man any of us are voting for.
A quick check back to March, in this debate, quickly confirms that 2 or 3 people had already made that point
clear to you.
The only thing that you make clear is that you have a dislike of wee Eck.
You don't, at ANY time, say why Scotland would be better off remaining under Westminster control.
What, EXACTLY, have Labour done for Scotland in the past 10-15 years ?
Apart from sending our troops into an illegal war in Iraq, completely destroying our economy and
Gordon Brown calling an elderly woman a bigot, just because she dared to question his immigration policy in
a civilised manner.
Let me make it a bit easier for you.
What has ANY Westminster party done for Scotland, over the past 10-15 years, apart from take, take, take ?

[morag]

What has labour done for Scotland,...ESPECIALLY Glasgow, for the last, well, how long have they been in there?..
I like Salmond, I think he is needed at this stage., and I really believe HE believes in Scotland and Scottish. I'm all for that. As far as pols go he's not bad..as far as Scots go that's a helluva compliment.! I like Niclola Sturgeon too..mibbe I'm getting soft in my dotage..

[creamolafoam]

creamolafoam:
First of all, If you're going to quote someone then It is normal practise to do the quote and then add your
response AFTER the quote and not within it. That way, your words are not 'hidden'.
If the "fat slug", that you refer to, is Alex Salmond, then my only reply to that is...NO, never voted for him
in my life nor am I ever likely to, I don't live in his constituency.
It is you who needs to "open your eyes", for if you have read & followed this debate from the beginning then
you would be aware that I have stated clearly, 2 or 3 times, that I don't like wee Eck either but It's not one
man any of us are voting for.
A quick check back to March, in this debate, quickly confirms that 2 or 3 people had already made that point
clear to you.
The only thing that you make clear is that you have a dislike of wee Eck.
You don't, at ANY time, say why Scotland would be better off remaining under Westminster control.
What, EXACTLY, have Labour done for Scotland in the past 10-15 years ?
Apart from sending our troops into an illegal war in Iraq, completely destroying our economy and
Gordon Brown calling an elderly woman a bigot, just because she dared to question his immigration policy in
a civilised manner.
Let me make it a bit easier for you.
What has ANY Westminster party done for Scotland, over the past 10-15 ye'ars, apart from take, take, take ?

apologies for misplacing quote.now come on, your really 'gorgeous george' are'nt you?