Poll - Does Scotland really want to go it alone?

[morag]

I just hope I live to see Scotland an independent country again, Maggie, I love England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and while I concede the British Empire was strong in it's day, though I don't like the most of the whys and hows or wherefores, I do believe each nation is intrinsically different, with different political, social and basic social views. I believe it's time to celebrate rather than cover up (or be made to feel ashamed of) those differences. We are all, nationally wise, guilty of British transgressions, I don't want to be any more.

[SolcotsSue]

I just hope I live to see Scotland an independent country again, Maggie, I love England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and while I concede the British Empire was strong in it's day, though I don't like the most of the whys and hows or wherefores, I do believe each nation is intrinsically different, with different political, social and basic social views. I believe it's time to celebrate rather than cover up (or be made to feel ashamed of) those differences. We are all, nationally wise, guilty of British transgressions, I don't want to be any more.

Ditto Morag.

Here is an article with a few of Scotland's best know writers. I agree a lot with Ian Banks view.

Read here

[creamolafoam]

scotland should never become independent, and i will some up why in two words... alex salmond!

[morag]

scotland should never become independent, and i will some up why in two words... alex salmond!

creamolafoam, if you read previous posts you'll understand neither Salmond nor theSNP would be guaranteed leadership in an independent Scotland....I'd take him over Cameron any day though!

[morag]

Interesting article SolcotsSue

[SolcotsSue]

scotland should never become independent, and i will some up why in two words... alex salmond!

That's your choice. But I really wouldn't be making such an important decision on Scotland based on a dislike of a party leader.

Through the years & history, people have voted for whatever 'Party' as a whole due to their policies, political view, strengths or beliefs etc despite not liking their Leader.

It's not about voting for Alex Salmond, it's about Independence for Scotland.

I don't like all of Alex Salmond and putting that aside, I have to admit he is a good politician. He speaks with such passion, loyalty, commitment etc for Scotland. He is a more experienced politician than the Coalition government, Labour etc and he knows more about Scottish politics than those at Westminster.

Can you imagine if the vote was 'no' and where it would leave us with Westminster. They're going to make sure we are never in this situation again on Independence, they will change things to make sure we don't. There will still be reserved matters and control from Westminster, they may even possibly take away 'powers' from Scotland.

I'm sure we will be worse off with Westminster if the vote is 'no'. Seriously think about it.

I'd suggest to all to look into the debate from all sides, read comments, forums and things on the internet, history, Scotland Bill, articles etc before making a decision. I respect whatever people may vote but as long as it is an 'informed' one and you've looked at the whole thing very seriously.

[tapnagol]

J.D writes that the trailblazers entrepreneurs etc, that I mentioned were yesterdays men. A fair point, incidently mos of his list are 20th cent,. The point Iwas making was that you dont have to be famous or well known to make a difference, wherever you are, .Most of the contributers to this site are ex pats who went abroad with the scots ethos to make abetter life for themselves and families,and consequently o improve the country of thir choice.I believe that there are still plenty of like minded folk in Scotland , ready to accept the challenge , if the people decide to vote for independence.

[bobnetau]

My gut instinct is to say no, BUT since I haven't lived in Scotland for a lot of years I don't know anything about the politics and financials so still undecided.

[creamolafoam]

scotland should never become independent, and i will some up why in two words... alex salmond!

That's your choice. But I really wouldn't be making such an important decision on Scotland based on a dislike of a party leader.

Through the years & history, people have voted for whatever 'Party' as a whole due to their policies, political view, strengths or beliefs etc despite not liking their Leader.

It's not about voting for Alex Salmond, it's about Independence for Scotland.

I don't like all of Alex Salmond and putting that aside, I have to admit he is a good politician. He speaks with such passion, loyalty, commitment etc for Scotland. He is a more experienced politician than the Coalition government, Labour etc and he knows more about Scottish politics than those at Westminster.

Can you imagine if the vote was 'no' and where it would leave us with Westminster. They're going to make sure we are never in this situation again on Independence, they will change things to make sure we don't. There will still be reserved matters and control from Westminster, they may even possibly take away 'powers' from Scotland.

I'm sure we will be worse off with Westminster if the vote is 'no'. Seriously think about it.

I'd suggest to all to look into the debate from all sides, read comments, forums and things on the internet, history, Scotland Bill, articles etc before making a decision. I respect whatever people may vote but as long as it is an 'informed' one and you've looked at the whole thing very seriously.

you dont say at any point ,how we would thrive and grow as country without the rest of britain, you just say we will be worse off. and for me first impressions of somebody means a lot, and salmond comes across as arrogant, and willing to bow and scrape to get whatever he wants, and not for the good of the country.

[John Donnelly]

Cremolafoam, to quote your reply to SalcotsSue, 'you just say we will be worse off.'

Here is what she actually said, 'I'd suggest to all to look into the debate from all sides, read comments, forums and things on the internet, history, Scotland Bill, articles etc before making a decision. I respect whatever people may vote but as long as it is an 'informed' one and you've looked at the whole thing very seriously.'

It is patently obvious that she is trying, like me, to generate an objective debate on the pro's and cons of whether we should go our own way or not.

With great respect, your post is indicative of a fixed mind, impervious to reasoned argument.

This is typical of a lot of the comments posted on this excellent thread. Again, can I plead, ' let's all sit down and look at the arguments for and against, and use our reasoning and logical powers to come to an intelligent decision, 'should we do it or not?'

Again, please throw the emotion out the window and look at the arguments.

JD.

[SolcotsSue]

you dont say at any point ,how we would thrive and grow as country without the rest of britain, you just say we will be worse off. and for me first impressions of somebody means a lot, and salmond comes across as arrogant, and willing to bow and scrape to get whatever he wants, and not for the good of the country.

Creamolafoam,

I was only giving my opinion of what I've read, or discussed on the internet with others as well as doing my own research on the whole debate, re: articles, history, tv debates, some news articles abroad, as well as many more. If I could remember where I've read and gained my knowledge I'd post links, may do so in future.

However, I don't like to push things down ones throat, therefore why I suggested in my last post about all to do their own research etc, etc and make an 'informed' decision. People will agree to disagree.

I hope this thread doesn't turn negative due to differences of opinion, misunderstanding or lack of knowledge. There are many comments out there in other forums or comments with disgusting, nasty, bias & mocking attacks on Scottish independence and our people because they think we're incapable or want an argument rather than an open, honest and positive debate.

We should share our knowledge, opinions or facts depending on the issue without feeling the threat of being verbally attacked or replies of non-constructive criticism.

Regarding your question 'how would we thrive & grow as a country'? She already is, but held back by the control of Westminster and the 'reserved' matters. We get our pocket money from Westminster and that's it, and budget that to the best we can and any extra monies Scotland need she has to raise it herself.

Reserved matters Explanation

[Richard]

Is it safe to come back out now ? Hope nobody followed my useless tip on the football ?
I couldn't pick my nose
Chriso: Still reading up on perception management. I was always aware of these type of tactics but I
just put it down to part of the Spin Doctors remit and I certainly didn't know that it was a specialist
subject all of it's own or, until your post, that it even had a name all of it's own. Interesting stuff


SolcotsSue: That was a great link & addition to the debate. Especially when you consider the source.
I enjoyed that read. I could associate with a lot of it


creamolafoam: I can only reiterate morags, SolcotsSue & JD' comments.
I completely understand where you are coming from. I'm not exactly a big fan of wee Eck either BUT
the issue is bigger than ANY one man or political party. So your reason for not wanting to vote 'Yes'
seems to be as crazy as me saying, "I think I'll vote 'No' because Ruth Davidson is a good looking
woman"
You have to look at the bigger picture and I would stress AGAIN, the vote is NOT about the SNP.
It is about Westminster Rule or Scottish Independence.
At the first elections, post referendum, we then vote for who we want to run an Independent
Scotland AND it is very possible that the outcome could be some party other than the SNP, even an alliance.
Hope this helps paint a clearer picture
BTW: I note your username, with interest.
I have hunted for Creamola Foam for years to give to my grandkids, without any joy.
It brings back some good childhood memories. I was told that they stopped making it.
I then thought I had found it in a wee newsagents in Kilmarnock but the spelling was different (Kremola)
and it was more like flavoured sugar, rather than the fine powder I remember.
Just a cheap imitation, I got all excited over nothing.



SolcotsSue: Spot on, re; Reserved Matters etc. Another excellent contribution to the debate